Comments on: Speaking of dieing… http://www.guidostein.com/2009/08/14/speaking-of-dieing/ Clever thoughts from a clever guy Thu, 01 Dec 2011 13:06:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Maven http://www.guidostein.com/2009/08/14/speaking-of-dieing/comment-page-1/#comment-28 Maven Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:20:34 +0000 http://www.guidostein.com/2009/08/14/speaking-of-dieing/#comment-28 My condolences to your family!<br /><br />Now regarding the health care "reform" bit...<br /><br /><i>...if the government gets involved in health care the choice of who gets care ...who will be killed off for the betterment of the nation.</i><br /><br />That right there is sanctioning eugenics, and would put our government right on par with Hitler.<br /><br />Additionally, how completely arrogant of the insurance industry and the ultra-conservatives to take away our right to die w/dignity (i.e. everything that Dr. Kervorkian stands for), and presupposes that the government should make that decision for us. Utter hubris! My condolences to your family!

Now regarding the health care "reform" bit…

…if the government gets involved in health care the choice of who gets care …who will be killed off for the betterment of the nation.

That right there is sanctioning eugenics, and would put our government right on par with Hitler.

Additionally, how completely arrogant of the insurance industry and the ultra-conservatives to take away our right to die w/dignity (i.e. everything that Dr. Kervorkian stands for), and presupposes that the government should make that decision for us. Utter hubris!

]]> By: Shepherd Jim http://www.guidostein.com/2009/08/14/speaking-of-dieing/comment-page-1/#comment-22 Shepherd Jim Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:35:20 +0000 http://www.guidostein.com/2009/08/14/speaking-of-dieing/#comment-22 Sad: two months have passed since Guido's post and there has not been much progress.<br /><br />The <b>fanatical</b> opposition to <i>ANY</i> healthcare reform is being being underwritten by the insurance industry and driven by ultra-conservatives and racists (sorry, no other word more applicable) who hope the President fails at <b>whatever</b> he attempts, no matter what or how. Their need for his failure is so strong they don't see all of the negative effects on the entire country that will come along with that failure.<br /><br />The first paragraph of the Boston Globe article cited by Guido reads:<br /><a rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">"A plan to provide hospice counseling and other end-of-life advice to patients and their families is being dropped by US Senate health care negotiators after critics charged that it would lead to the formation of federal "death panels,'' a key GOP senator said yesterday."</a><br /><br />...so it was that the govt would have been involved with <b>funding</b> making it possible for people to discuss their end of life options. Not that the govt was to be involved in those discussions. One <i>could</i> argue that by denying the funding, the govt IS involving itself in that discussion insofar as they are making it much less likely that there will be any discussion at all.<br /><br />I must admit that I am thinking about moving to Canada more now than I was in 1969 when I was threatened by the draft and Vietnam. Sad: two months have passed since Guido's post and there has not been much progress.

The fanatical opposition to ANY healthcare reform is being being underwritten by the insurance industry and driven by ultra-conservatives and racists (sorry, no other word more applicable) who hope the President fails at whatever he attempts, no matter what or how. Their need for his failure is so strong they don't see all of the negative effects on the entire country that will come along with that failure.

The first paragraph of the Boston Globe article cited by Guido reads:
"A plan to provide hospice counseling and other end-of-life advice to patients and their families is being dropped by US Senate health care negotiators after critics charged that it would lead to the formation of federal "death panels,'' a key GOP senator said yesterday."

…so it was that the govt would have been involved with funding making it possible for people to discuss their end of life options. Not that the govt was to be involved in those discussions. One could argue that by denying the funding, the govt IS involving itself in that discussion insofar as they are making it much less likely that there will be any discussion at all.

I must admit that I am thinking about moving to Canada more now than I was in 1969 when I was threatened by the draft and Vietnam.

]]> By: Alison http://www.guidostein.com/2009/08/14/speaking-of-dieing/comment-page-1/#comment-19 Alison Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:41:27 +0000 http://www.guidostein.com/2009/08/14/speaking-of-dieing/#comment-19 We can all talk to our doctors about our end of life options without a legal provision in a bill, the government doesn't need to be involved, do they? We can all talk to our doctors about our end of life options without a legal provision in a bill, the government doesn't need to be involved, do they?

]]> By: BlueAlvarez http://www.guidostein.com/2009/08/14/speaking-of-dieing/comment-page-1/#comment-17 BlueAlvarez Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:01:19 +0000 http://www.guidostein.com/2009/08/14/speaking-of-dieing/#comment-17 I am so sorry for your loss. The "death panel" thing doesn't make any sense to me either. Have people really gotten so twisted up about government's hand in health care that they can talk themselves into equating death with dignity with euthanasia? Seriously, this close to moving to Canada. I am so sorry for your loss. The "death panel" thing doesn't make any sense to me either. Have people really gotten so twisted up about government's hand in health care that they can talk themselves into equating death with dignity with euthanasia? Seriously, this close to moving to Canada.

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